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21 years 3 weeks ago #21328 by pchanez
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Trouve sur un autre forum ... d'ailleurs si quelqu'un a l'article de Seahorse et peut me le mailer, ce serait cool



Another article in the new Seahorse discusses an Australian 18 footer that has been equipped with hydrofoils. It had been assumed by many that those boats were already so fast that gains would be minimal or non -existent. But the guys chose to do the foils differently than the Moth arrangement discussed in detail under General Discussion and Technology. Thes foils are dual surface piercing foils mounted on the wings of the boat and a rudder T-foil. The advantages the designers list for using these foils are:
"1) They are self regulating in ride height for a constant speed
2) As the boat accelerates the immersed drag is reduced as less foil is needed.
3)The faster the boat goes, the stiffer it gets in heel.
4)With a T-foil rudder, if the flap is adjustable, the ride height and the pitch angle can both be controlled-the latter helping to keep the bow up."
The downside of this configuration compared to the Moth configuration is the extra wetted surface before the boat flys and the extra air /water interface with a third foil penetrating the surface and ,of course, (on full size boats) the ever present threat of foil ventillation when a foil is lifting close to the surface.
But the real plus for this type-and why those experimenting with model monofoilers should be interested is that these foils do allow an increase in righting moment ramping up the available power quite a bit with no weight penalty. And in models the great nemesis of surface piercing foilers--ventillation-- is not the problem it is on larger boats.
As far as I know there are no model monofoilers currenty being built using this system but the fact that it appears to work so well on an 18 shows that a model might be feasible.
If anybody is interested in discussing the technical details of applying this concept to models I'll meet you under "Technology".
UPDATE: In rc sailing several one off multihull SURFACE PIERCING foilers have recently been built in Europe- Biggest advantage is the reduction of complexity compared to an altitude controlled fully submerged foiler.
Doug Lord
--High Technology Sailing/Racing

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21330 by Cédric F
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Oui mais des foils sur un 18 pieds, c'est peut être gagner un tout petit peu en vitesse et donc une certaine stabilité, mais n'est-ce pas enlever la notion de planing et de surf qui en fait son charme ? Un skiff qui vole est-il encore un skiff ?

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21331 by administrator
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Et il l'appelèrent hydroptère... ::)

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21332 by guytoon
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Un skiff qui vole est-il encore un skiff ?

Un bateau qui vole est-il encore un bateau ?

je te répondrai quand le projet "Flying fourteen" sera arrivé à bout. ;D

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21333 by Cédric F
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Un bateau qui vole est-il encore un bateau ?


Un skiff est-il encore un bateau ?

Attention nous allons rentrer dans la quête de l'alchmiste à la recherche de la pierre philosophale et de l'oeuvre au noir.

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21361 by pchanez
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Bon ... j'ai trouve le coupable de cet essai ... et du coup je suis moins surpris. C'est Emmett Lazich, tres connu pour ses opinions divergentes avec la league et ardent defenseur des Grand-Prix !


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21 years 3 weeks ago #21362 by pchanez
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Il semble cependant que les foils sont intimement lie au developement du skiff. Julian parle meme d'en mettre sur les 49er ...

www.49er.org/news/bethwaite.php

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21363 by Cédric F
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Délire d'architecte qui veut vendre ses idées ? Non je déconne...
Ceci dit à une époque il devait y avoir un grément ligth sur le 49er, on l'attend toujours...

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21364 by kicrea
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Délire d'architecte qui veut vendre ses idées ? Non je déconne...
Ceci dit à une époque il devait y avoir un grément ligth sur le 49er, on l'attend toujours...


çà fait un moment qu'il est sorti le gréement sport du forty ...

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21365 by Cédric F
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t'es certain ? il est propsé au catalogue ?

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21366 by Cédric F
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Ah oui autant pour pour moi :P :-X

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21367 by pchanez
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Du catalogue Duvoisin ...


OV4720 49er Sports mainsail 1'890.00
OV4721 49er Sports jib 890.00
OV4722 49er Sports spinnaker 2'190.00

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21369 by Julien A.
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C'est quoi la différence entre le gréement "normal" et le Sports ? ???

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21371 by Cédric F
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Surface de voile plus petite

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21375 by lolo
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...pour le gréement sport

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21379 by lavignoule
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Il semble cependant que les foils sont intimement lie au developement du skiff. Julian parle meme d'en mettre sur les 49er ...

www.49er.org/news/bethwaite.php

Il parle de foil (safran + derive) ... pas de "lifting foils". c'est vrai qu'la derive trapezoidal du forty elle est un peut zarbe!!

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21 years 3 weeks ago #21380 by lavignoule
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.... oupss ... J'me suis arrete avant la fin d'larticle ... Donc des Brits et des Aussies s'amuse avec des hydrofoils sur un forty!!

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